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Historically, many SE tags have been inspired from Monero source code (see , , and other examples).

I followed the conversation related to this pull request on Reddit and similarly would like to rename to ring size on Stack Exchange.

The pull request referenced above only encompasses a visual change in the GUI aimed at making Monero terminology easier to understand for those that may misinterpret the meaning of .

Before proposing a more drastic pull request removing from all Monero source code why not test on Stack Exchange first to see how it is received?

I prefer but also approved a and synonym based on community feedback.

I created a synonym for . Currently both tags still exist. Now that we have reached broad consensus I think it is safe to move forward and merge the tags.

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I was originally thinking that 'decoys' is a good term, but later changed my mind due to some discussion on that reddit thread.

In my opinion, we need to kill off the term 'mixin' as soon as possible because it immediately causes newcomers to make wrong assumpions as to what it stands for and it could become a bigger burden than it already is.

On another note, there was an opinion that flashing the option (in the GUI software) to set the ring size makes more problems then it solves and I tend to agree with this. Your 'basic' user doesn't need to touch the default parameter so better hide it under andvanced options for those who already understand what it means. From this point of view, the term doesn't have to be self-explanatory and 'ring size' would make the interested person look it up and learn about it, while the ordinary user would just ignore it and continue to happily transact with default options, which is good enough.

Considerig the above, I'm voting for 'ring size'

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    My vote is also for ring size. I agree with you than a "basic" user should be left with the default ring size parameter and not pressed to select unnecessary options – Big Things Jan 28 '17 at 13:15
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    I vote for ''ring size'' as well. – lethos3 Jan 28 '17 at 20:11
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    +1 for "ring size" – Daniel Ternyak Jan 28 '17 at 20:15
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    + 1 ring size. Agree with comment that the mixin term should be killed off ASAP – 254123179 Jan 29 '17 at 1:30
  • "possible-signers" is my next favorite suggestion based on this comment: np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/5qmnac/… – 254123179 Jan 29 '17 at 1:39
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    Ring size is getting a lot of support so approving the synonym seems appropriate. Any thoughts about when we should merge the old mixin tags (replacing them with ring size)? Should we do it now or after the GUI language is changed (pull request pending)? – Smart Kid Jan 29 '17 at 3:39
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    ya ring size +1 – samwellj Jan 29 '17 at 7:49
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    I agree, though I don't even understand what 'Mixin' is supposed to mean. I'm assuming its referring to "mixing in" in your coins with coins from other transactions/addresses, but it's not immediately clear to me. And as others have mentioned there are connotations to tumbling. Ring size is a much clearer term and will be easier to pin down with a clear definition, particularly as ring sizes increase or decrease. – ryan.max Jan 29 '17 at 21:22
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Are there technical reasons for mixin being inaccurate, besides that the casual observer might think it refers to active mixing from other bitcoin obfuscation techniques?

My personal opinion is that mixin makes sense and it doesn't bother me, but I'm not going to wage war if the majority disagrees with me.

For example:

In object-oriented programming languages, a mixin is a class that contains methods for use by other classes without having to be the parent class of those other classes.

Likewise, in Monero the mixin count is the amount of other signatures (in addition to yours) included in the ring signature that authorizes your transaction.

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    Most comments I have seen have focused on mixin being confused with active mixing by beginners and potential negative attention that comes with that. Both "mixin" and "ring size" are just fine from a technical point of view. – 254123179 Jan 29 '17 at 1:29
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There seems to be broad consensus here and on reddit. Everyone that's not aware of this recent debate will keep using the mixin tag out of habit, so I don't think usage of the mixin tag is a good measurement of consensus for the change. At the very best it can help measure user awareness of the debate.

My impression is that the devs are already planning on making the change, but they want to make sure the entire community is behind them before it's implemented.In case anyone disagrees with the change, we would want them to voice their disagreement here - and sooner rather than later.

I therefore think there's also a debate to be had in regards to when it's okay to remove the mixin tag.

  • I agree with you that it looks like we have broad consensus – Smart Kid Jan 31 '17 at 15:56

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